Few things are more authentically Washington than a fly-in. As in, the great capital tradition of getting people from all 50 states into town and unleashing them on the halls of Congress for a few days of lobbying.

This week, the group showing up to have their voices heard isn’t local farm bureaus, chambers of commerce or realtors associations. It’s the governors who are here for the National Governors Association’s winter meeting. And the Republicans and Democrats attending have a lot to talk about.

The man in charge of the NGA is Colorado Governor Jared Polis, who has taken more than a few unconventional stances on the issues in his two terms as governor, and during his Congressional career before that.

But Polis has some big fish to fry this week. He and his fellow governors are in the tough position of responding to the fast pace of policymaking coming from Trump, where issues like tariffs and immigration enforcement are about to have tangible effects on their constituents, and possible funding cuts from reconciliation may be around the corner.

Playbook’s Eugene Daniels taped an episode of the Deep Dive podcast with Polis at Blue Light News’s Governor’s Summit on Thursday. They discussed Polis’ thoughts on all of these controversial issues as well as how he thinks Democrats should walk the line when it comes to working with Trump versus opposing him; how Polis thinks Trump is hurting himself; and what the first thing Elon Musk and DOGE should cut is.