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Epstein discusses jail time in newly released video with Steve Bannon

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A newly released interview that ex-Trump adviser Steve Bannon conducted with Jeffrey Epstein provides a glimpse into the convicted sex offender’s complicated view of himself and his reflections on his first stint in jail, among other topics.

The interview was recorded on video around 2019 for a sympathetic documentary aimed at rehabilitating Epstein’s image, following his arrest more than a decade earlier on a count of soliciting prostitution, according to his brother, Mark. Bannon, who served as White House chief strategist early in Trump’s first term, is believed to have 15 hours of audio from his conversations with Epstein. He did not immediately respond to MS NOW’s request for comment Monday afternoon.

Bannon has not been accused of or charged with criminal wrongdoing in connection to Epstein’s crimes.

The material — released Friday by the Department of Justice as part of its investigation into the late financier — offers a rare example of extended verbal remarks from Epstein, who died by suicide in a New York jail cell in August 2019 while awaiting trial on federal sex trafficking charges.

About a half-hour into the interview, Epstein speaks about his famously cushy 13-month stint in a Florida jail, from June 2008 to July 2009. Thanks to a plea deal struck by then-U.S. Attorney Alexander Acosta, Epstein was allowed to leave the jail for up to 12 hours a day, six days a week on a work-release program.

But by Epstein’s account, the conditions were still rough.

He said he was in “an 8-by-10 cell with a bed in the back — 6-foot bed in the back — a chrome sink with toilet attached to it, and a little piece of metal sticking out that was supposed to act as a table.”

Bannon repeatedly asked Epstein if he had reflected on how he wound up in jail. Epstein continually denied that he had done so, and refused to take responsibility for what he had been convicted of.

“It never struck you about how to end up in a situation like this?” Bannon asked.

“No, that would be probably mean I would be too self-aware,” Epstein replied.

“You can’t possibly expect me to believe this,” Bannon said.

“I know,” Epstein replied. “I don’t believe it.”

Later, Bannon again pressed Epstein, asking if he had ever had “a moment of awareness of, ‘How could I get myself into this situation?’”

“No, I would just say, how strange that this happens,” Epstein replied. “Just, it’s strange. I’m wearing a jumpsuit and flip-flops.”

Much of the rest of the discussion features Bannon and Epstein debating theories of science and mathematics. At some points, though, these seemingly academic discussions take a real-world turn.

About an hour and a half into the interview, Bannon asked Epstein why money he donated to the Santa Fe Institute, a nonprofit scientific research instituteto “study the complexity of systems mathematically,” was a “total failure.”

Epstein replied: “It’s the failure of science. Because, in fact, to some extent — science doesn’t describe romance. I don’t know why I’m attracted to somebody.”

“I don’t know people are attracted to each other, and some — everyone has the same feeling. They’ve seen someone walk in the room and they say, ‘Oh, that person gives me a creepy feeling,’” Epstein said. “Science has tried to describe, science doesn’t describe what ‘creepy feeling’ means. They just know it’s a creepy feeling.”

The ex-financier proceeded to outline what he believed differentiates men and women.

“I think women, as I said the last time, have an intuitive sense. … They have intuition, they have feelings, and they’re able to deal in the realm of things that men — especially men like myself — find unexplainable,” he said, adding, “Men want to measure everything. Women are not really that interested in measuring.”

Other seemingly off-the-cuff exchanges between the men appeared to offer a peek into Epstein’s psyche.

When Bannon asked Epstein when he thinks human life begins, Epstein demurred, prompting Bannon to reply, “It can’t be measured, you’re just — you just hate making commitments.”

“That’s why I’m not married,” Epstein replied.

Later, Bannon asked if Epstein believed institutions should accept his donations. (In early 2019, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Media Lab rejected a donation from Epstein as scrutiny mounted over the allegations against him, prompted by an investigation published in late 2018 by the Miami Herald.)

“Is your money dirty money?” Bannon asked Epstein.

“No, it’s not,” Epstein said.

“Why is it not dirty money?” Bannon asked.

“Because I earned it,” Epstein replied.

“You earned it advising the worst people in the world, right, that do enormous bad things just to make more money,” Bannon said.

“I think it’s a legitimate question,” Epstein replied, adding, “Ethics is always a complicated subject.”

But perhaps the most striking exchanges came in the last minute of the tape, when Bannon asked, “Do you think you’re the devil himself?”

“No, but I do have a good mirror,” Epstein replied.

“It’s a serious question,” Bannon continued. “Do you think you’re the
devil himself?”

“I don’t know. Why would you say that?” Epstein asked.

“Because you have all the attributes,” Bannon replied. “You’re incredibly smart. You remember the devil is —”

“The devil’s smart?” Epstein said as he interrupted.

“The devil’s brilliant,” Bannon retorted. “You read Milton’s Paradise Lost —”

“No,” Epstein said. “The devil scares me.”

The interview ended abruptly a few seconds later.

Also included in the Friday document dump was a text exchange from December 2018 that appears to be between Bannon and Epstein discussing — among other things — President Donald Trump’s assistant at the time, Madeleine Westerhout. The exchanges imply that she and Trump had an intimate relationship, which both Westerhout and Trump have strenuously rejected.

“He’s [sic] much more calm, but the sight of him in the residence in his undies is hard to fathom,” Epstein wrote. “I’ll give you details when I see you.”

Westerhout did not respond to MS NOW’s request for comment.

White House spokesperson Abigail Jackson told MS NOW in a statement on Monday: “This is a salacious and false rumor that has been proven to be fiction.”

MS NOW is reviewing the documents released by the Justice Department in collaboration with journalists from NBC, AP, CNBC and CBS. Journalists from each newsroom worked together to examine the documents and share information about what is in them. Each outlet is responsible for its own independent news coverage of the documents.

Update, 9:09 p.m. ET: This story was updated with a response from the White House.

Julianne McShane is a breaking news reporter for MS NOW.

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Speaker Johnson faces tough choices on partial government shutdown and debate over ICE

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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump implored the House on Monday to end the partial government shutdownbut neither Republicans nor Democrats appeared ready to quickly approve the federal funding package he brokered with the Senate without first debating their own demands over immigration enforcement operations.

Democrats are refusing to provide the votes House Speaker Mike Johnson needs to push the package forward as they try to rein in the Trump administration’s deportation operations after the shooting deaths of two Americans in Minneapolis. That’s forcing Johnson to rely on his slim GOP majority, which has its own complaints about the package, to fall in line behind Trump’s deal with Senate Democrats.

Voting is expected to begin as soon as Tuesday, which would be day four of the partial shutdown. The Pentagon, Homeland Security and other agencies saw their funding lapse Saturday. And while many operations at those departments are deemed essential, and still functioning, some workers may go without pay or be furloughed.

“We need to get the Government open, and I hope all Republicans and Democrats will join me in supporting this Bill, and send it to my desk WITHOUT DELAY,” the president wrote on social media.

AP AUDIO: Speaker Johnson faces tough choices on partial government shutdown and debate over ICE

AP correspondent Donna Warder reports the latest efforts in Congress to avoid a government shutdown.

“There can be NO CHANGES at this time,” Trump insisted. “We will work together in good faith to address the issues that have been raised, but we cannot have another long, pointless, and destructive Shutdown.”

The stalemate points to difficult days ahead as Johnson relies on Trump to help muscle the package to passage.

The president struck a deal last week with Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer in which Homeland Security would only be funded temporarily, though Feb. 13, as Congress debates changes to immigration enforcement operations. The Senate overwhelmingly approved the package with the rest of the government funding ahead of Saturday’s deadline.

Democrats demand changes to ICE

House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries made it clear Monday that his side sees no reason to help Johnson push the bill forward in a procedural step, something that the majority party typically handles on its own.

With Johnson facing unrest from his own Republican ranks, Jeffries is seizing the leverage it provides Democrats to demand changes to immigration operations.

“On rare occasions have we stepped in to deal with Republican dysfunction,” Jeffries said at the Capitol.

Democrats are demanding restraints on Immigration and Customs Enforcement that go beyond $20 million for body cameras that already is in the bill. Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem announced Monday that officers on the ground in Minneapolis, including ICE, will be immediately issued body-worn camerasand the program would be expanded nationwide as funding is available.

But Democrats are pressing for more. They want to require that federal immigration agents unmask — noting that few, if any, other law enforcement agencies routinely mask themselves in the U.S. — and they want officers to rely on judicial, rather than administrative, warrants in their operations.

They also want an end to roving patrols, amid other changes.

Jeffries said the administration needs to begin negotiations now, not over the next two weeks, on changes to immigration enforcement operations.

Certain Democrats, however, are splintering with the leader, and pushing for quicker passage of the funding package to avoid government disruptions.

Republicans launch their own demands

At the same time, House Republicans, with some allies in the Senate, are making their own demands, as they work to support Trump’s clampdown on immigrants in the U.S.

The House Freedom Caucus has insisted on fuller funding for Homeland Security while certain Republicans pushed to include the SAVE Acta longshot Trump priority that would require proof of citizenship before Americans are eligible to participate in elections and vote. Critics say it would disenfranchise millions of voters.

Late Monday, Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, R-Fla., dropped her demand to attach the voting bill to the funding package after she and Rep. Tim Burchett, R-Tenn., met with Trump at the White House. She posted afterward that it would be better to try to advance that bill separately through the Senate, and keep the government open.

The development was seen as helping Johnson push ahead.

“Obviously the president really wants this,” Majority Leader Steve Scalise said at the Capitol.

“We always work ‘til the midnight hour to get the votes,” Scalise said. “You never start the process with everybody on board. You work through it.”

Workers without pay if partial government shutdown drags on

Meanwhile, a number of federal agencies are snared in the funding standoff after the government went into a partial shutdown over the weekend.

Defense, health, transportation and housing are among those that were given shutdown guidance by the administration, though many operations are deemed essential and services are not necessarily interrupted. Workers could go without pay if the impasse drags on. Some could be furloughed.

Lawmakers from both parties are increasingly concerned the closure will disrupt the Federal Emergency Management Agency, which they rely on to help constituents after deadly snowstorms and other disasters.

This is the second time in a matter of months that federal government operations have been disrupted as lawmakers use the annual funding process as leverage to extract policy changes. Last fall, Democrats sparked what became the longest federal shutdown in history, 43 daysas they protested the expiration of health insurance tax breaks.

That shutdown ended with a promise to vote on proposals to extend the Affordable Care Act tax credits. But with GOP opposition, Democrats were unable to achieve their goal of keeping the subsidies in place. Insurance premiums spiked in the new year for millions of people.

Trump tries to prevent another long shutdown

Trump is already working on an immigration deal to ensure the shutdown doesn’t drag on.

Johnson said he was in the Oval Office last week when Trump, along with border czar Tom Homan, spoke with Schumer of New York as they discussed the immigration changes.

Body cameras, which are already provided for in the package, and an end to the roving patrols by immigration agents are areas of potential agreement, Johnson said.

But Johnson drew a line at other Democratic demands. He said he does not think that requiring immigration officers to remove their masks would have support from Republicans because it could lead to problems if their personal images and private information is posted online by protesters.

And Senate Majority Leader John Thune tapped the brakes on the demand from Democrats to require judicial warrants for officers’ searches, saying it’s likely to be a part of the negotiations ahead.

“It’s going to be very difficult to reach agreement in two weeks,” Thune said at the Capitol.

Democrats, however, said the immigration operations are out of control, and must end in Minneapolis and other cities.

Growing numbers of lawmakers are also calling for Noem to be fired or impeached.

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Associated Press writers Kevin Freking, Matt Brown and Nathan Ellgren contributed to this report.

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Grammys: Trevor Noah’ takes aim at absent Nicki Minaj, Trump

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LOS ANGELES (AP) — Trevor Noah once again roamed through the audience during his monologue to open the Grammy Awardstaking pokes at the stars while standing right next to them, but he saved his most pointed jokes for absentees, and elicited an angry post from the president.

Nicki Minaj is not here,” Noah said, to big cheers from the audience at Crypto.com Arena. “She is still at the White House with Donald Trump discussing very important issues.”

Minaj this week visited and praised the president, the culmination of a move toward MAGA that she’s made in recent months.

Noah broke into a Trump impression. “Actually Nicki, I have the biggest ass, everybody’s saying it Nicki.”

In his sixth time hosting the show — and what he says will be his last — Noah mostly played it safe during his monologue, not delving too much into much politics or controversy, at least during his monologue. There was no mention of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (on a night when many attendees were wearing “ICE OUT” buttons).

But Noah got more pointed later in the show, after Billie Eilish won song of the year.

“Wow. That is a Grammy that every artist wants,” Noah said, “almost as much as Trump wants Greenland. Which makes sense. I mean, because Epstein’s island is gone, he needs a new island to hang out with Bill Clinton.”

After the show in a Truth Social post, Trump reacted.

“Noah said, INCORRECTLY about me, that Donald Trump and Bill Clinton spent time on Epstein Island. WRONG!!! I can’t speak for Bill, but I have never been to Epstein Island, nor anywhere close, and until tonight’s false and defamatory, statement, have never been accused being there, not even by the Fake News Media,” the post said. “Noah, a total loser, better get his facts straight, and get them straight fast. It looks like I’ll be sending my lawyers to sue this poor, pathetic, talentless, dope of an M.C.”

After the crowd’s reaction to the joke during the show, Noah said, “Oh, I told you, it’s my last year. What are you going to do about it?”

At a different point in the show, Noah joked about the president’s penchant for suing TV networks when he said the Grammys were airing “completely live” because “if we edited any of the show, the president would sue CBS for $16 billion,” referring to Trump’s recent history with CBS News and a settlement he got from Paramount last summer.

It had seemed at first like he wasn’t going to go very far into such material.

He said during the monologue Lauryn Hill was performing on the show for the first time since 1999.

“Do you understand how long ago that is?” he said. “Back in 1999, the president had had a sex scandal, people thought computers were about to destroy the world, and Diddy was arrested.”

Later in the show, Noah cozied up to the night’s biggest nominee, Kendrick Lamarand only congratulated him.

“I actually thought about writing a few jokes roasting you, but then I remembered what you can do to light-skinned dudes from other countries,” Noah, who is from South Africa, said in a reference to Lamar’s beef with the Canadian rapper Drake that culminated in last year’s big Grammy winner “Not Like Us.”

Later, he sat with Bad Bunny, and asked if he could come live with him in his native Puerto Rico if things got too bad in the U.S.

“Trevor I have some news for you,” Bad Bunny said. “Puerto Rico is part of America.”

The Recording Academy announced less than three weeks ago that Noah was returning “one final time.”

“I believe in term limits,” Noah said during the show.

Only singer Andy Williams, who hosted the Grammys seven times in the 1970s, has hosted more often.

Noah himself is a four-time Grammy nominee, and was up this year in the best audio book recording category for “Into The Uncut Grass,” a children’s story. He lost to the Dalai Lama.

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This story has been updated to correct the spelling of Nicki Minaj in several places.

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Kennedy Center will close for 2 years for renovations in July, Trump says

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WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump said Sunday he will move to close Washington’s Kennedy Center performing arts center for two years starting in July for construction, his latest proposal to upturn the storied venue since returning to the White House.

Trump’s announcement on social media follows a wave of cancellations by leading performers, musicians and groups since the president ousted the previous leadership and added his name to the building. Trump made no mention in his post of the recent cancellations.

His proposal, announced days after the premiere of “Melania, ” a documentary of the first lady was shown at the center, he said was subject to approval by the board of the Kennedy Center, which has been stocked with his hand-picked allies. Trump himself chairs the center’s board of trustees.

“This important decision, based on input from many Highly Respected Experts, will take a tired, broken, and dilapidated Center, one that has been in bad condition, both financially and structurally for many years, and turn it into a World Class Bastion of Arts, Music, and Entertainment,” Trump wrote in his post.

Neither Trump nor Kennedy Center President Ric Grenell, a Trump ally, have provided evidence to back up their claims about the building being in disrepair, and last October, Trump had pledged the center would remain open during renovations. In Sunday’s announcement, Trump said the center will close on July 4th, when he said the construction would begin.

“Our goal has always been to not only save and permanently preserve the Center, but to make it the finest Arts Institution in the world,” Grenell said in a post, citing funds Congress approved for repairs.

“This will be a brief closure,” Grenell said. “It desperately needs this renovation and temporarily closing the Center just makes sense – it will enable us to better invest our resources, think bigger and make the historic renovations more comprehensive. It also means we will be finished faster.”

The sudden decision to shutter and reconstruct the Kennedy Center is sparking blowback as Trump disrupts the popular venue, which began as a national cultural center but Congress renamed as a “living memorial” to President John F. Kennedy in 1964, in the aftermath of the slain president’s death. Opened in 1971, it is open year-round as a public showcase for the arts, including the National Symphony Orchestra.

Since Trump returned to the White House, the Kennedy Center is one of many Washington landmarks that he has sought to overhaul in his second term. He demolished the East Wing of the White House and launched a massive $400 million ballroom project, is actively pursuing building a triumphal arch on the other side the Arlington Bridge from the the Lincoln Memorial, and has plans for Washington Dulles International Airport.

Leading performing arts groups have pulled out of appearances at the Kennedy Center, most recently, composer Philip Glass, who announced his decision to withdraw his Symphony No. 15 “Lincoln” because he said the values of the center today are in “direct conflict” with the message of the piece.

Last month, the Washington National Opera announced that it will move performances away from the Kennedy Center in another high-profile departure following Trump’s takeover of the U.S. capital’s leading performing arts venue.

The head of artistic programming for the center abruptly left his post last weekless than two weeks after being named to the job.

A spokesperson for the Kennedy Center could not immediately be reached and did not respond to an emailed request for comment.

Late last year, as Trump announced his plan to rename the building — erecting his name on the building’s main front ahead of that of Kennedy — he drew sharp opposition from members of Congress, and some Kennedy family members.

Kerry Kennedy, a niece of John F. Kennedy, said in a social post on X at the time that she will remove Trump’s name herself with a pickax when his term ends.

Another family member, Maria Shriver, said at the time that it is “beyond comprehension that this sitting president has sought to rename this great memorial dedicated to President Kennedy,” her uncle. “It is beyond wild that he would think adding his name in front of President Kennedy’s name is acceptable. It is not.”

Late Sunday evening, Shriver posted a new comment mimicking Trump’s own voice and style, and suggesting the closure of the venue was meant to deflect from the cancellations.

She said that “entertainers are canceling left and right” and the president has determined that “since the name change no one wants to perform there any longer.”

Trump has decided, she said, it’s best “to close this center down and rebuild a new center” that will bear his name. She asked, “right?”

One lawmaker, Rep. Joyce Beatty, the Ohio Democrat and ex-officio trustee of the center’s board, sued in December, arguing that “only Congress has the authority to rename the Kennedy Center.”

On Sunday, Beatty said that once again Trump “has acted with total disregard for Congress,” which allocates funds to the center.

She questioned what comes next for the artists — and the building itself. “Let’s be clear: remodeling the premises will not restore the Kennedy Center to what it was. A return to artistic independence will,” she said. “America’s artists are rejecting this attempted takeover, and the administration knows it.”

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Associated Press writer Darlene Superville contributed to this report.

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