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Kamala Harris’ Fox News interview said more about Bret Baier than it did her

Vice President Kamala Harris’ sit-down with Fox News’ Bret Baier wasn’t an interview; it was a competition. Baier sought to box Harris into giving no-win answers to what were at times loaded questions. Harris’ goal seemed to be making it through the 30-minute conversation without meandering too often into nondescript word salad answers. I don’t know if I’d call the finished result a draw, but it was definitely no knockout.
Baier jumped right into it, pressing Harris to answer for the Biden administration’s decision to immediately reverse the Trump administration’s “Remain in Mexico” policy, which required asylum-seekers to wait in Mexico while their cases were reviewed by U.S. immigration courts. Baier said the administration’s border policies allowed 6 million undocumented immigrants into the country and asked whether she regrets reversing the policy. Harris tried to pivot, countering that the Biden administration has pushed for immigration reform in Congress since day one.
I don’t know if I’d call the finished result a draw, but it was definitely no knockout.
It was fair and good journalistic practice for Baier to press the vice president about policies that her own administration seems to understand have failed and that have provided terrible optics to the public. But when Baier repeatedly asked Harris if she felt she owed an apology to the families of Jocelyn Nungaray, Laken Riley and Rachel Morin — three young women allegedly killed by migrants who crossed the border illegally — his line of questioning turned into demagoguery.
Of all the issues to ask the Democratic nominee, Baier then went with a culture war lightning rod, asking if she supports publicly funded trans-affirming surgery for prisoners — the focal point of numerous pro-Trump campaign ads, but hardly the kind of “kitchen table” issue that supposedly motivates the economic populism of Trump’s base.
When Harris noted that former Trump administration officials have said Trump is unfit for office, Baier basically acted like a Trump campaign surrogate: “If that’s the case, why is half the country supporting him? Why is he beating you in a lot of swing states? Why, if he’s as bad as you say, that half of this country is now supporting this person who could be the 47th president of the United States? Why is that happening?”
Harris replied that the election was never meant to be a cakewalk, to which Baier interjected, “So are they misguided, the 50%? Are they stupid? What is it?” You could practically see the hamster running the wheel inside Baier’s head, hoping like heck for a sound bite to rival Hillary Clinton’s notorious “basket of deplorables” comment in 2016.
But Harris didn’t take the bait, saying she’d never call the American people something like that, and she reminded Baier that Trump’s the one who regularly demeans Americans, such as when he spoke to Fox News’ “Sunday Morning Futures” of “the enemy within.”
Baier immediately called for a clip to be played of Trump’s interview earlier in the day with Fox News’ Harris Faulkner, in which Trump got a laugh from the live audience by comparing himself to Al Capone and insisted his “enemies within” were simply limited to the Democrats who investigated him. That Baier treated Trump’s remark Wednesday morning as believable and an appropriate counter to Harris’ statement is journalistic malpractice.
As one of the last remaining “hard news” correspondents at Fox News, Baier’s got a reputation as a well-prepared interviewer who doesn’t let politicians get away with filibustering. But compare the intensity of his questioning and fact-checking of Harris against the interview Baier conducted with Trump in June 2023. He effectively pressed Trump at times, was deferential at others, but what he didn’t do was carry water for Democrats or regurgitate their talking points.
When Harris noted that former Trump administration officials have said Trump is unfit for office, Baier basically acted like a Trump campaign surrogate.
Harris, for her part, continues to struggle in interviews, holding on to campaign talking points like a life raft. She was particularly unconvincing when asked about President Joe Biden’s declining mental faculties. But she had successful moments Wednesday night, mainly when speaking extemporaneously about specific, indefensible things Trump has done and promised to do.
Fox News’ Dana Perino offered a predictable post-interview assessment that Harris “came in hot and got angrier,” but that’s not how I saw it. She sat for an interview with a network on which she’s regularly denigrated as “stupid,” and she responded with a tone appropriate to Baier’s.
I’m not sure any minds will be changed by this interview, nor was much revealed. But if judging it as a combat sport, the result was inconclusive. Both sides landed punches, but neither one was left raising a championship belt.
CORRECTION (Oct. 18, 2024, 12:20 p.m. ET): An earlier version of this article misstated the first name of one of the three women allegedly killed by migrants who crossed the border illegally. She is Jocelyn Nungaray, not Rachel.
Anthony L. Fisher is a senior editor and writer for BLN Daily. He was previously the senior opinion editor for The Daily Beast and a politics columnist for Business Insider.
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‘Uniting anger’: Democrats fume over Schumer’s handling of funding fight
Chuck Schumer is facing one of the most perilous moments of his Senate leadership career.
The Senate minority leader came under heavy fire for the second straight day from Democrats enraged at him for backing a Republican bill to avoid a government shutdown, and fallout appears likely to last well past Friday’s vote.
A handful of House lawmakers, including some in battleground districts, are floating supporting a primary challenge against him. Activists are organizing efforts to punish him financially. Schumer is facing questions within his own caucus about whether he made strategic errors in handling the high-stakes moment and failed to outline a clear plan about how to deal with the complex politics of a shutdown, according to interviews with six lawmakers or their aides. Some Democratic senators are even privately questioning whether he should stay on as their leader.
“He’s done a great deal of damage to the party,” said Ezra Levin, co-founder of the liberal group Indivisible, which has scheduled an emergency call Saturday with its New York chapter and other local leaders to “seriously consider if the current [Democratic] leadership is equipped to handle the moment we’re in.”
In a remarkable sign of how deep the intraparty frustration with Schumer runs, House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries refused to throw his fellow New Yorker a life raft. Asked by reporters on Friday if there should be new leadership in the Senate, he said, “Next question.”
Schumer’s one-time partner, former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), went so far as to urge senators to vote against his position, saying that “this false choice that some are buying instead of fighting is unacceptable.” And dozens of House Democrats sent a sharply worded letter to Schumer Friday, which expressed “strong opposition” to his standpoint, arguing that the “American people sent Democrats to Congress to fight against Republican dysfunction and chaos” and that the party should not be “capitulating to their obstruction.”
Though several senators said they supported his leadership, some Senate Democrats avoided questions when asked directly Friday about whether they continued to support him in the role.
“We still have more to play out on this,” said Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.). “So I’m not really thinking about the big-picture politics.”
Sen. Tammy Baldwin (D-Wis.) also dodged, saying: “The leader I don’t have confidence in is Donald Trump.” And Sen. Ruben Gallego (D-Ariz.) responded to a query on whether he still supports Schumer by calling for a “good post-mortem” on Senate Democrats’ approach to the government funding fight.
“Anytime you have a failure — and this is a failure altogether — we as a caucus owe it to Democrats across the country and our constituents to look back and see: How do we get ourselves into this situation?” he said.
One Democratic senator granted anonymity to share private discussions said conversations are starting about whether Schumer should be their leader going forward.
“There’s a lot of concern about the failure to have a plan and execute on it,” the senator said. “It’s not like you couldn’t figure out that this is what was going to happen.”
The frustration toward Schumer reflects a boiling anger among Democrats over what they view as their party’s lack of a strategy for taking on Trump in his second term. Though few in Democratic circles think Schumer’s job as minority leader is at risk — and he isn’t up for reelection until 2028 — the frustration toward him spans the party’s spectrum, from moderates to progressives, both in and outside of Congress.
Schumer has defended his vote to keep the government running as the best of two bad choices aimed at not ceding Trump and billionaire adviser Elon Musk even more power to slash the government. Nine Democratic senators and an independent who caucuses with Democrats joined him to advance the bill, enough to prevent a government shutdown.
“A government shutdown gives Donald Trump, Elon Musk and DOGE almost complete power as to what to close down, because they can decide what is an essential service,” Schumer said in a BLN interview. “My job as leader is to lead the party, and if there’s going to be danger in the near future, to protect the party. And I’m proud I did it. I knew I did the right thing, and I knew there’d be some disagreements. That’s how it always is.”
He added that he is not concerned with his leadership position: “I have the overwhelming support of my caucus. And so many of the members thanked me and said, ‘You did what you thought was courageous, and we respect it.’”
But behind closed doors, even some longtime Schumer allies are raising the specter that his time has passed.
“Biden is gone. Pelosi is in the background. Schumer is the last one left from that older generation,” said one New York-based donor who is a longtime supporter of the leader. “I do worry that the older generation thinks 2024 was just about inflation, but no, the game has changed. It’s not left wing or moderate, it’s everyone now saying — the game is different now. But he was set up to battle in 2006, and we’re a long way from 2006.”
Adam Green, co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee, said “active conversations” are taking place among liberal groups about how to make Schumer pay. He said Schumer will likely face protests over his support for the GOP bill at his tour stops next week for his new book “Antisemitism In America: A Warning.” But he said the effort to hold him “accountable” will not end there.
“He has to be made an example of to enforce Democratic backbone going forward,” he said.
And it’s far from just progressives.
“I have not seen such uniting anger across the party in a long, long time,” said Charlotte Clymer, a Democratic operative associated with the moderate wing of the party who launched a petition to boycott donations to Senate Democrats until they force Schumer out as minority leader. “Sen. Schumer has managed to unite us far more than Trump has in recent months.”
After the GOP bill advanced Friday, Congressional Progressive Caucus chair Greg Casar said in a statement that “we need more leaders from the stand and fight wing of the Democratic Party.” MoveOn warned that the liberal group’s “members will be demanding answers from their elected officials” about the vote. The progressive organization Justice Democrats sent a text to supporters reading “F*ck Chuck Schumer.”
Also on Friday, dozens of protesters organized by the Sunrise Movement descended on Schumer’s office in the Hart Senate building holding signs that read: “Schumer: step up or step aside,” demanding he reverse course on supporting the bill. The group said 11 people were arrested.
“We have to reckon with the fact that young people, working-class people, people of color — the backbone of the Democratic Party — are moving away from the party,” said Stevie O’Hanlon, the organization’s political director. “Chuck Schumer is part of that reason.”
Still, some Democratic senators publicly stood by Schumer on Friday.
Asked if people are urging her to run for Schumer’s job, Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.), said, “No, no,” adding, “I’m doing my job today.”
Sen. Gary Peters (D-Mich.), who is retiring after this term, called Schumer “a good leader.” Sen. John Hickenlooper (D-Colo.) told reporters he still has confidence in Schumer in the top role.
Others acknowledged the difficult position Schumer found himself in as he attempted to steer his caucus through a lesser-of-two-evils situation without the same simple-majority cover that Jeffries had in the House.
“It’s tough to be the leader,” said Sen. Jack Reed (D-R.I.).
With reporting by Emily Ngo and Hailey Fuchs.
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