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Kamala Harris’ Fox News interview said more about Bret Baier than it did her
Vice President Kamala Harris’ sit-down with Fox News’ Bret Baier wasn’t an interview; it was a competition. Baier sought to box Harris into giving no-win answers to what were at times loaded questions. Harris’ goal seemed to be making it through the 30-minute conversation without meandering too often into nondescript word salad answers. I don’t know if I’d call the finished result a draw, but it was definitely no knockout.
Baier jumped right into it, pressing Harris to answer for the Biden administration’s decision to immediately reverse the Trump administration’s “Remain in Mexico” policy, which required asylum-seekers to wait in Mexico while their cases were reviewed by U.S. immigration courts. Baier said the administration’s border policies allowed 6 million undocumented immigrants into the country and asked whether she regrets reversing the policy. Harris tried to pivot, countering that the Biden administration has pushed for immigration reform in Congress since day one.
I don’t know if I’d call the finished result a draw, but it was definitely no knockout.
It was fair and good journalistic practice for Baier to press the vice president about policies that her own administration seems to understand have failed and that have provided terrible optics to the public. But when Baier repeatedly asked Harris if she felt she owed an apology to the families of Jocelyn Nungaray, Laken Riley and Rachel Morin — three young women allegedly killed by migrants who crossed the border illegally — his line of questioning turned into demagoguery.
Of all the issues to ask the Democratic nominee, Baier then went with a culture war lightning rod, asking if she supports publicly funded trans-affirming surgery for prisoners — the focal point of numerous pro-Trump campaign ads, but hardly the kind of “kitchen table” issue that supposedly motivates the economic populism of Trump’s base.
When Harris noted that former Trump administration officials have said Trump is unfit for office, Baier basically acted like a Trump campaign surrogate: “If that’s the case, why is half the country supporting him? Why is he beating you in a lot of swing states? Why, if he’s as bad as you say, that half of this country is now supporting this person who could be the 47th president of the United States? Why is that happening?”
Harris replied that the election was never meant to be a cakewalk, to which Baier interjected, “So are they misguided, the 50%? Are they stupid? What is it?” You could practically see the hamster running the wheel inside Baier’s head, hoping like heck for a sound bite to rival Hillary Clinton’s notorious “basket of deplorables” comment in 2016.
But Harris didn’t take the bait, saying she’d never call the American people something like that, and she reminded Baier that Trump’s the one who regularly demeans Americans, such as when he spoke to Fox News’ “Sunday Morning Futures” of “the enemy within.”
Baier immediately called for a clip to be played of Trump’s interview earlier in the day with Fox News’ Harris Faulkner, in which Trump got a laugh from the live audience by comparing himself to Al Capone and insisted his “enemies within” were simply limited to the Democrats who investigated him. That Baier treated Trump’s remark Wednesday morning as believable and an appropriate counter to Harris’ statement is journalistic malpractice.
As one of the last remaining “hard news” correspondents at Fox News, Baier’s got a reputation as a well-prepared interviewer who doesn’t let politicians get away with filibustering. But compare the intensity of his questioning and fact-checking of Harris against the interview Baier conducted with Trump in June 2023. He effectively pressed Trump at times, was deferential at others, but what he didn’t do was carry water for Democrats or regurgitate their talking points.
When Harris noted that former Trump administration officials have said Trump is unfit for office, Baier basically acted like a Trump campaign surrogate.
Harris, for her part, continues to struggle in interviews, holding on to campaign talking points like a life raft. She was particularly unconvincing when asked about President Joe Biden’s declining mental faculties. But she had successful moments Wednesday night, mainly when speaking extemporaneously about specific, indefensible things Trump has done and promised to do.
Fox News’ Dana Perino offered a predictable post-interview assessment that Harris “came in hot and got angrier,” but that’s not how I saw it. She sat for an interview with a network on which she’s regularly denigrated as “stupid,” and she responded with a tone appropriate to Baier’s.
I’m not sure any minds will be changed by this interview, nor was much revealed. But if judging it as a combat sport, the result was inconclusive. Both sides landed punches, but neither one was left raising a championship belt.
CORRECTION (Oct. 18, 2024, 12:20 p.m. ET): An earlier version of this article misstated the first name of one of the three women allegedly killed by migrants who crossed the border illegally. She is Jocelyn Nungaray, not Rachel.
Anthony L. Fisher is a senior editor and writer for BLN Daily. He was previously the senior opinion editor for The Daily Beast and a politics columnist for Business Insider.
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Pete Buttigieg’s 2026 project
MIDLAND, Michigan — Pete Buttigieg is known for going everywhere to get his message out in the media. In 2026, he’s taking that strategy offline, too, traveling virtually everywhere.
A source close to Buttigieg tells Playbook he’s spent half of 2026 on the road, hitting 10 states so far — including battleground states Georgia, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and his adopted home state Michigan, plus a multiday swing across for-now-first-in-the-nation New Hampshire. And he’s not yet hawking books like some of his would-be 2028 rivals. He’s stumping for candidates up and down the ballot.
While potential 2028ers like Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker and Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro focus on flexing midterm-year dominance in their own backyards, Buttigieg is embarking on a more national project to position himself as a super surrogate not confined to specific geography or demographics. It’s a strategy that could help him counter the base of power that comes from holding elected office.
Buttigieg laid out his midterm strategy to Playbook in an exclusive interview after gripping and grinning and taking selfies along a ropeline: “The basic idea is to make myself useful to candidates and causes that I care about and that we all need to succeed,” he said at Mi Element Grains & Grounds, a combination microbrewery, bakery and coffeehouse, after launching a canvassing effort backing Chedrick Greene in a special election to determine control of the Michigan state Senate.
“Every kind of state, red, blue and purple, there are races going on and fights going on that I want to make sure I’m part of,” Buttigieg told Playbook. “And they are all often very different from each other, but what they have in common is leaders who are very rooted in a sense of place. They’re very much of where they’re from, and I think represent a big part of what the future for Democrats is going to look like.”
Buttigieg has increased his engagement with Black candidates like Greene and the community more broadly, addressing a perceived weakness. In Alabama, Buttigieg joined civil rights leaders and community members in Selma for the Bridge Crossing Jubilee and Anniversary of Bloody Sunday, and made remarks at a unity breakfast and Tabernacle Baptist Church. In Birmingham, he joined a roundtable with business owners from the Historic 4th Avenue Business District.
A source familiar with Buttigieg’s past outreach to the Black community described his efforts a “natural extension” of his work on his 2020 presidential campaign and in the Biden administration.
“It’s a recognition that engagement in those spaces and showing up in 2026 is going to be a huge indicator of who’s going to be the leader of this party,” this person, granted anonymity to candidly appraise Buttigieg’s approach, told Blue Light News. “I think it’s really smart to think along those lines, and to show, right? Not just talk about it, but to actually show and demonstrate it.”
He also campaigned for Shawn Harris in former Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene’s deep-red Georgia congressional district, and gave an interview to Black creator Hood Anchor Ye alongside Rep. Nikema Williams. He also attended Sen. Raphael Warnock’s Ebenezer Baptist Church, where he received a very warm welcome.
“I’m very focused on coalition right now, and that includes pillars of our Democratic coalition, like the building trades workers I was with in Toledo or in Nevada, and certainly Black voters who were so vital to the past, present and future of the party,” Buttigieg said.
A February Emerson poll found Buttigieg had about 6 percent support among Black voters; California Gov. Gavin Newsom had 17 percent and former VP Kamala Harris had 36 percent.
“He had a remarkable run in 2020 and ultimately, one of the, perhaps the greatest obstacle, is that he didn’t have much of a relationship with African American voters,” David Axelrod, the former strategist for former President Barack Obama and longtime Buttigieg ally, told Playbook. “And the fact that he’s spending a lot of time communing with Black voters across the country even if in the service of the midterm elections, is a reflection that he’s not headed for early retirement.”
There is also, of course, the fact that Buttigieg has a newly crafted stump speech that walks an average voter through their day and overlays his policy hopes for them, something reminiscent of James Joyce’s “Ulysses”. “I don’t want to overdo that, but yes, as you know, my whole thing is the politics of everyday life. And one way to get that across is to just literally walk through everyday life and all of the hundreds of moments in that day that are shaped by political choices.”
Asked about whether he thought the narrative of his struggles with Black voters matched the
reality of what he was seeing on the ground, Buttigieg redirected. “This year is very much not about me,” he said. “What it’s really all part of for me is where are there leaders that I can help and where it’s going to make a difference to engage.”
Beyond that, Buttigieg’s travels and how he’s talking is revealing about his potential trajectory: For starters, he’s laser-focused on building a majority Democratic governing coalition. He used the word no fewer than 10 times.
Buttigieg insisted that Democrats “should be able to build a supermajority coalition” based on the party’s platform. He has noted in the past most Americans support paid family leave, raising the federal minimum wage, raising taxes on the wealthy, universal background checks, and a public health insurance option. “If we can’t get those two-thirds supported positions over 50 percent that means we’re missing something in terms of the coalition we built.”
But as potential candidates like Newsom seek to emulate Trump’s smashmouth social media style, Buttigieg is more focused on creating a Democratic version of MAGA’s sweeping coalition. That means Buttigieg’s 2026 project is to build a big tent in nature — not a matter of pure ideology. In Pennsylvania, for example, Buttigieg held a well-attended event with Bob Brooks, the bellwether Lehigh Valley Democratic congressional candidate running to flip Pennsylvania’s 7th Congressional District. Brooks, a Pennsylvania firefighter, supports Medicare for All, which Buttigieg opposed in his presidential run.
“It is really important that we understand what it means that this president stitched together this very unlikely crew that includes traditional Republicans, Libertarians, authoritarians and white nationalists,” Buttigieg said. “We have to have a bigger, better, different coalition.”
In the next few weeks, Buttigieg is expected to cross another battleground off his list, with a stop in North Carolina where he’ll campaign for Democrats, as well as two redder states: a town hall in Oklahoma and a stop in Montana, where he is planning to boost “The Montana Plan,” a ballot initiative to curtail corporations from spending money on political candidates or ballot issues.
“We’re trying to get everywhere we can,” Buttigieg said. “Including places in the same way that — you know, I think Fox News is this kind of place — places where people don’t hear enough from us, because I think there are potential members of our coalition to be found.”
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