{"id":8883,"date":"2025-05-06T04:22:52","date_gmt":"2025-05-06T04:22:52","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/bluelightnews.com\/category\/politics\/george-washington-knew-how-to-deal-with-a-president-like-trump\/"},"modified":"2025-05-06T04:22:52","modified_gmt":"2025-05-06T04:22:52","slug":"george-washington-knew-how-to-deal-with-a-president-like-trump","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bluelightnews.com\/category\/politics\/george-washington-knew-how-to-deal-with-a-president-like-trump\/","title":{"rendered":"George Washington knew how to deal with a president like Trump"},"content":{"rendered":"<div>\n<p>Article II, Section 8 of the Constitution states that before the start of a presidential term, the president <a href=\"https:\/\/constitution.congress.gov\/browse\/article-2\/?anchor=II_S1_C8_1\" target=\"_blank\">&ldquo;shall take&rdquo; the oath of office<\/a>including a promise to &ldquo;preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.&rdquo; Four months ago, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.msnbc.com\/msnbc\/watch\/full-ceremony-watch-the-inauguration-of-donald-trump-as-the-47th-u-s-president-229787717747\" target=\"_blank\">Donald Trump<\/a> raised his right hand and for the second time swore that oath. On Sunday, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.msnbc.com\/rachel-maddow-show\/maddowblog\/-dont-know-trump-stumped-whether-must-uphold-us-constitution-rcna204782\" target=\"_blank\">he seemed to take it back<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Once presidents are in office, it can be hard to determine if their conduct violates the oath. But in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nbcnews.com\/politics\/trump-administration\/read-full-transcript-president-donald-trump-interviewed-meet-press-mod-rcna203514\" target=\"_blank\">Trump&rsquo;s extraordinary interview with NBC&rsquo;s Kristen Welker<\/a>there was <a href=\"https:\/\/roberthubbell.substack.com\/p\/trump-repudiates-oath-to-preserve\" target=\"_blank\">less opacity<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>During a part of the interview dealing with his handling of  immigration and his summary deportations of people to El Salvador, Welker asked Trump, &ldquo;Don&rsquo;t you need to uphold the Constitution of the United States as president?&rdquo;<\/p>\n<p>&ldquo;I don&rsquo;t know,&rdquo; Trump replied. In an ironic twist, his waffling about his constitutional duties came the same day his former vice president, Mike Pence, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnn.com\/2025\/05\/04\/politics\/mike-pence-jfk-award-january-6?utm_source=cnn_Five+Things+for+Monday%2C+May+5%2C+2025&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;bt_ee=b9gAU4%2FLTFRZQ2zzcY6bTBkGnRngO4JxOkS%2F9Jp4dXrk9tnyFD9zx9VVUrPc8YTE&amp;bt_ts=1746441070862\" target=\"_blank\">received an award honoring his fidelity to the Constitution<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>As is his custom, Trump shifted responsibility to an underling.<\/p>\n<p>Trump&rsquo;s uncertainty about the oath he&rsquo;d sworn followed similar uncertainty about the Supreme Court&rsquo;s recent decision regarding the Alien Enemies Act, when <a href=\"https:\/\/www.supremecourt.gov\/opinions\/24pdf\/24a931_2c83.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">it unanimously reminded the administration<\/a> that even people in the U.S. illegally have a right to due process of law.&nbsp;When Welker pressed him about whether &ldquo;everyone who&rsquo;s here, citizens and noncitizens, deserve due process,&rdquo; the president again equivocated.<\/p>\n<p>&ldquo;I don&rsquo;t know. I&rsquo;m not, I&rsquo;m not a lawyer,&rdquo; Trump said. &ldquo;It seems &mdash; it might say that, but if you&rsquo;re talking about that, then we&rsquo;d have to have a million or 2 million or 3 million trials.&rdquo;<\/p>\n<p>As is his custom, Trump shifted responsibility to an underling. &ldquo;I&rsquo;m relying on the attorney general of the United States, Pam Bondi,&rdquo; he told Welker. &ldquo;Because I&rsquo;m not involved in the legality or the illegality. I have lawyers to do that &hellip; And they&rsquo;re not viewing the decision the way you said it. They don&rsquo;t view it that way at all. They think it&rsquo;s a totally different decision.&rdquo;<\/p>\n<p>But the language of the court&rsquo;s Alien Enemies Act ruling and the Constitution could not be clearer.<\/p>\n<p>As the Supreme Court <a href=\"https:\/\/www.supremecourt.gov\/opinions\/24pdf\/24a931_2c83.pdf\" target=\"_blank\">observed<\/a> (in part quoting earlier rulings), it is &ldquo;&lsquo;well established that the Fifth Amendment entitles aliens to due process of law&rsquo; in the context of removal proceedings&#8230;.So, the detainees are entitled to notice and opportunity to be heard &lsquo;appropriate to the nature of the case.&rsquo;&rdquo; <\/p>\n<p>The&nbsp;Fifth Amendment says that &ldquo;no person shall &hellip; be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.&rdquo; That the Constitution uses the word &ldquo;person,&rdquo; not citizen, means that it applies to everyone. A president who respects his oath of office would not need anyone to explain that. <\/p>\n<p>The true threat to the country as we know it is a president who fancies himself a king.<\/p>\n<p>Oath or no oath, none of that seems to matter to the president. As he told Welker, &ldquo;If the courts don&rsquo;t allow us to take people out, if we had to have a court case every single &mdash; think of it. Every single person, we have millions of people. If you have millions of court cases, figure two weeks a court case, it would be 300 years.&rdquo;<\/p>\n<p>Recycling his campaign rhetoric, he went on, &ldquo;Many people have been killed, maimed, badly hurt by illegal immigrants that came over that are from prisons and from jails and from mental institutions. And they&rsquo;re hurting our people. And if we don&rsquo;t get them out, we&rsquo;re not going to have a country for long.&rdquo;<\/p>\n<p>But the true threat to the U.S. as we know it is a president who <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=R3Aif00OYEY\" target=\"_blank\">fancies himself a king<\/a> and can&rsquo;t fathom that his first responsibility is to <em>always<\/em> uphold the Constitution.&nbsp;As Lawfare&rsquo;s Ben Wittes and Quinta Jurecic <a href=\"https:\/\/www.lawfaremedia.org\/article\/what-happens-when-we-dont-believe-presidents-oath\" target=\"_blank\">wrote in 2017<\/a>&ldquo;The presidential oath is actually the glue that holds together many of our system&rsquo;s functional assumptions about the presidency and the institutional reactions to it among actors from judges to bureaucrats to the press. When large enough numbers of people within these systems doubt a president&rsquo;s oath, those assumptions cease operating. They do so without anyone&rsquo;s ever announcing. &#8230; They just stop working &mdash; or they work a lot less well.&rdquo;<\/p>\n<p>Because the Constitution <a href=\"https:\/\/constitution.congress.gov\/browse\/essay\/artII-S1-C8-1-5\/ALDE_00013936\/#:~:text=ArticleII%2CSection1%2CClause,ConstitutionoftheUnitedStates.&amp;text=Seeid.,).&amp;text=SeegenerallyArtIII.S2.C1,ControversiesRequirement%2Candsubsequentessays.&amp;text=10-,H.R.,DonaldTrumpandImpeachableOffenses.&amp;text=JointCongressionalCommitteeonInaugural,(1stSess.1989).\" target=\"_blank\">lacks a specific standard<\/a> for whether a president has recanted the oath, it would be difficult for the courts to step in at this particular juncture. But George Washington, in his second inaugural speech, <a href=\"https:\/\/avalon.law.yale.edu\/18th_century\/wash2.asp\" target=\"_blank\">highlighted a different remedy<\/a> if such a breakdown occurs. Washington assigned the ultimate responsibility to the people and their elected representatives for holding a president to the oath of office.<\/p>\n<p>Referring to &ldquo;this Oath,&rdquo; Washington said, &ldquo;if it shall be found during my administration of the Government I have in any instance violated willingly, or knowingly, the injunction thereof, I may&hellip;be subject to the upbraidings of all who are now witnesses of the present solemn ceremony.&rdquo;<\/p>\n<p>Sunday may have been the first day in American history that a president has ever expressed doubt about an&nbsp;obligation to uphold the Constitution. In our time, as in Washington&rsquo;s, when a president expresses uncertainty about his constitutional duties, it is up to all of us to set him straight.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div data-activity-map=\"expanded-byline-article-bottom\">\n<p><span data-testid=\"byline-thumbnail\"><\/span><span data-testid=\"byline-name\"> Austin&#8217;s saps<\/span><span><a href=\"https:\/\/x.com\/ljstprof\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><span><\/span><\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p>Austin Sarat is the William Nelson Cromwell Professor of Jurisprudence and Political Science at Amherst College. The views expressed here do not represent Amherst College.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.msnbc.com\/opinion\/msnbc-opinion\/trump-constitution-dangerous-erosion-presidential-oath-rcna204883\" class=\"button purchase\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Read More<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Article II, Section 8 of the Constitution states that before the start of a presidential term, the president &ldquo;shall take&rdquo; the oath of officeincluding a promise to &ldquo;preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.&rdquo; Four months ago, Donald Trump raised his right hand and for the second time swore that oath. 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