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Breaking down Donald Trump’s deportation agenda

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A version of this initially appeared in The Recast, Blue Light News’s race and politics newsletter.

Carlos Trujillo may not be a household name, but he was instrumental in helping President-elect Donald Trump hone his message and win a historic number of Latino voters last week.

Trujillo, who’s been a senior adviser to Trump since his 2016 presidential run and served in his first administration, believes the Republican’s decisive victory ushered in a mandate to implement far-reaching immigration reforms, including mass deportations.

The son of immigrants who defected from Fidel Castro’s communist Cuba, Trujillo applauds Trump’s recent decision to name immigration hard-liners Stephen Miller and Tom Homan as deputy chief of staff for policy and border czar, respectively. And he believes they’ll bring back two of Trump’s previous migration-deterrent policies: the so-called “safe third country” agreements and the “Remain in Mexico” program.

“Those hires are excellent ones and are going to help carry out the vision more than 74 million Americans — including Hispanics — voted for,” Trujillo told Blue Light News.

This interview has been edited for length and clarity.

The president-elect has selected Stephen Miller and Tom Homan to help implement his mass deportation plans. Can you explain how that’s going to be carried out, especially since the president-elect is suggesting there may be no price tag for the scale of it?

So obviously, the price tag, I think it’s less expensive to deport people who are in this country illegally — committing crimes — than it is to keep them.

I worked with Stephen in the first Trump administration. Tom Homan has a spectacular reputation. And both are people who were very, very effective in curbing illegal migration.

Stephen was essential in negotiating the “safe third country” agreements, the “Remain in Mexico” policy — these were all issues that President Trump openly campaigned on, unlike his Democratic opponent who campaigned for sanctuary cities before flipping to saying she’s going to be really tough on the border.

Are you also angling for a position in the upcoming administration?

No, I’m helping Trump and the team through the transition process. But I’m not committed to any position or even entering the administration. I’m happy in the private sector.

Democrats hammered the first Trump administration on the imagery of the government breaking up families and putting kids in cages, or rounding up people who haven’t committed violent crimes.

Are you concerned Trump’s mass deportations plan is going to renew criticisms of family separation all over again?

So just to clarify, the kids in cages started under the Obama administration. President Trump has been very clear in that the first step is to remove criminals.

Let’s start with the 13,000 murderers; I think that’s a pretty good number of people we want to get out. There are over 600,000 people who have [had contact with] law enforcement or have criminal records in this country. I think, obviously, the mass deportations should focus on those who are the most dangerous and most violent and pose the most risk to our country.

Will this 600,000 be enough? My assumption is some will be looking for figures much higher than that. How do you balance a mass deportation plan with those who are stressing a humane approach to this?

I’m not sure of the narrative that you’re painting, that all these people are concerned. Were they concerned for the last four years when millions of people entered this country and showed up in cities that are completely overrun?

There are entire hotels dedicated to migrant staffing across this country. There are veterans who are being displaced from their houses. I’m not sure the narrative of “we’re going to separate children” is really an accurate narrative.

Is Trump’s agenda going to include finishing the border wall too?

Finishing the wall is very important, but I also think it’s important to focus on all the great policies that the Trump administration advanced in the first term, including the “safe third country agreements,” “Remain in Mexico” and Title 42 expulsions. Those are all important things I’m sure will be implemented in some shape or form [again] to deal with the migratory crisis.

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Committee punts on Kash Patel vote as Democrats keep up the pressure

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Democrats took advantage of the rules of the Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday to delay consideration of Kash Patel’s nomination to lead the FBI — but broke some recent precedent in the process.

While lawmakers typically do a one-week punt on Judiciary Committee votes for an variety of reasons — from opposing a bill to nominees — rarely if ever does the panel meet in person to formally approve the delay. Democrats’ vehement opposition to confirming Patel prompted such an in-person gathering.

Democrats had requested a second hearing with Patel to grill him over the recent leadership shakeup at the FBI. They view the staunch Trump loyalist as someone who is prepared to use the pulpit of the FBI to go after political adversaries.

Senate Judiciary Chair Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) had denied Democrats’ pleas, describing on Thursday the meeting as breaking with the panel’s norms. He has said he intends to hold Patel’s committee vote as early as next week.

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Democratic polling finds Elon Musk is unpopular

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House Democrats have a plan to help them win back the working class: turn the world’s richest person into their boogeyman.

They’ve set their sights on holding Elon Musk to account, by attempting to subpoena him and introducing legislation to block him from receiving federal contracts while he holds a “special” role inside the government. They believe the idea of an unelected billionaire wreaking chaos on the bureaucracy will be unpopular with voters — and now they have some data to prove it.

New internal polling, conducted on behalf of House Majority Forward, a nonprofit aligned with House Democratic leadership, found Musk is viewed negatively among 1,000 registered voters in battleground districts. His approval rating is upside down (43 percent approve to 51 disapprove) and his favorability is even worse (42 percent favorable to 51 percent unfavorable).

And the survey was completed between Jan. 19-25 — before some of Musk’s more extreme moves as the leader of the Department of Government Efficiency.

Pollsters asked respondents for their thoughts on “the creation of a government of the rich for the rich by appointing up to nine different billionaires to the administration,” and found 70 percent opposed with only 19 percent in support — a stat that suggests Democrats have landed on a message that could gain traction with swing voters.

That data and focus groups held by House Majority Fund helped bring attacks on the administration into focus: Democrats “shouldn’t chide Musk, Trump, and others for being rich,” the group wrote, but point out Musk’s conflicts of interests as head of DOGE and note that he could undermine key safety net programs to enrich himself at the expense of American taxpayers.

“Participants laud Musk’s business acumen and aren’t opposed to the ideals of DOGE,” HMF found. But “Musk’s relationship with Trump – who they view as inherently pro-big business” makes them wary that billionaire’s cuts “could include programs such as Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.”

Democrats have been in the midst of a deep soul search, trying to figure out how they lost the White House, both chambers of Congress and the working-class voters that had once been the backbone of their party. The Democratic resistance has been muted in the open weeks of Donald Trump’s second term as its members struggle to land on a common theme.

But Musk’s frenzied campaign to eliminate waste and lower spending has rocked the federal bureaucracy. And in recent days, Democrats have seized on Musk and other wealthy members of Trump’s administration as a way to make their case to the working class.

The poll, conducted by the Democratic firm Impact Research, also found that Musk evoked strong negative feelings. Of the 51 percent who viewed him unfavorably, 41 percent found him “very unfavorable.” Of the 51 percent who disapproved of him, 43 percent did so strongly.

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Capitol agenda: The rundown on reconciliation, Vought vote, Netanyahu visit

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Senate Republicans are forging ahead with their budget plan next week as Hill skepticism persists that Speaker Mike Johnson will be able to unify his conference around one mammoth bill.

There’s a lot of movement — here’s where things stand:

The Senate: “It’s time for the Senate to move,” Budget Committee Chair Lindsey Graham told reporters after emerging from a closed-door conference meeting Wednesday in which he walked Republicans through his fiscal blueprint. Republicans are hoping to vote on it in committee next week.

The resolution is expected to include roughly $150 billion for border security and a similar “range” for defense spending, Graham said. Senate Armed Services is expected to be tasked with coming up with the spending for the military, while Senate Homeland Security and Judiciary will tackle the border spending. Senators plan to tackle tax priorities in a second bill.

Republican senators will be at a private Mar-a-Lago dinner with Trump on Friday, where they plan to discuss budget reconciliation.

The House: GOP leaders are still stalled on a plan, and Republicans are getting antsy. They’re starting to look at other options, our colleagues Benjamin Guggenheim and Meredith Lee Hill report. That includes a short term tax-cut proposal, which would allow Republicans to contain some costs and satisfy some hard-liner demands. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said on Fox Business that he wants permanent cuts, not an extension, as Republicans are discussing.

Ways and Means Chair Jason Smith, the House’s top tax writer, is unhappy about Graham moving first: “It’s kind of unfortunate that he’s going to go through a practice that doesn’t accomplish anything.”

At least one conservative appears to be optimistic about this week’s progress, as leadership signals they’re looking for at least $1 trillion in cuts (though senior House Republicans are skeptical they can meet that goal). Rep. Ralph Norman, a key Freedom Caucus and Budget Committee member, said that a budget blueprint could be released by the end of the week.

Norman has so far rejected leadership’s proposals but said Wednesday the current work is “promising.” Rep. Chip Roy, another Freedom Caucus member on the Budget Committee, said he is on board with a 10-year tax cut extension if paired with a $2.5 trillion in cuts.=

What else we’re watching:

  • Prayer breakfast: Trump is headed to Statutory Hall at 8 a.m. for the National Prayer Breakfast, which Johnson will host.
  • Benjamin Netanyahu heads to Congress: The Israeli prime minister will arrive on Blue Light News amid Republican skepticism and Democratic criticism of Trump’s call to “take over” Gaza and relocate Palestinians. He’s meeting Senate Majority Leader John Thune at 10 a.m. and Johnson at 1:25 p.m.
  • Trump’s trade guy: Jamieson Greer, Trump’s pick to be the next U.S. trade representative, will face questions about the president’s dizzying set of actions on trade and tariffs over the past week at his Senate confirmation hearing Thursday morning. Greer served as chief of staff to Trump’s first-term USTR Robert Lighthizer and played a role in transforming the U.S. trading relationship with China.
  • Vought vote: Senate Democrats are running out the debate clock on Vought’s OMB nomination and plan to vote unanimously against his confirmation Thursday evening, as Schumer faces rising pressure from within his party to counter Trump however possible. It won’t matter — Republicans are poised to push Vought through.

Meredith Lee Hill, Jordain Carney, Benjamin Guggenheim, Katherine Tully-McManus and Ari Hawkins contributed to this report.

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